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Surely it is the need for reason that makes us believe in higher beings…

Tell me one thing Andrew, which organ is telling you what the gratest thing ever is? Is it the leg? The tailbone? The juggular? The brain likes to toot its own horn, you have to keep that in mind-oh, wait, the brain is the one keeping it in… mind so… uhhh… ummm…. my brain hurts, I’m going to take some Tylenol.**

**at precisely 8:22, I took some Tylenol, it made my brain feel better

I think that the need for a religion stems from the need of order, and also how much science the religion has knowlage of. Since in the B.C. times no one could fathom how the world came into being, they created an idea of how it came to being from choas to order. Also surely people will obey a law feverently if the ramifactions are going to be horrendous, the converse of my first statement, from order to choas, showing how humans enjoy simple order, and reject choas.

I think I’m gonna have to quote George Carlin directly on this one. “Because when it comes to bullshit, big-time, major-league bullshit, you have to stand in awe-in awe!-of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated clamims: religion. No contest.”

And, of course, at this day in age that is definitly and undisputibly true. We have government to provide your proposed order, and everything religion says goes against pretty much every law of physics we know of,(Except for that vector one.) Oh, and just as to not upset anyone, I understand people who follow with religion, and what solace it provides them. And even if you believe that the earth was made in seven days, as long as you’re not declairing any holy wars, you’re alright in my book.

I’ve never read the bible, but it’s on my list of things to do before I die, (right after “DO GOOD!!!” ) Obviously, some genius wrote the bible, (I’m going to use Christianity as an example simply because it’s the most fimilar, and the most effective religion world-wide.) He knew exactly what it would take to get the chaotic dissarray the world was in in da B.C. into line, and get them all being nice to each other for fear of spending eternity burning in hell. I’ll betcha he was giggling to himself while he was writing it. I’ll bet he was thinking about how gullible those poor suckers would have to be to believe any of this. If the guy had such a acute sense for getting people to do what he wanted, he would have had to have figured out that human beings were in fact spawned naturally, rather than created by an invisible super-powerful being who lives in the sky watching eveything everybody does, and strikes them with a bolt of lightning if he doesn’t like it. Did it ever occur to them that God probably wouldn’t want to smite something he, the perfect lord, created? Wouldn’t that be like admitting that he had fucked up?

The creation of the world would have been far more difficult for the Pre-Christian man to grasp than the creation of a simple human being. They knew how human beings were made; they came from that hole between womens’ legs. Why would they ever think life was born anywhere else? But the creation of the world, now that would call for some bullshit story of an invisible man who sat up in the sky, since they never got to see any part of it being created. It’s in those instances when I might have called upon some funky tale to explain it.

But can you believe that most people didn’t give it up until less than a century ago? Can you believe that some of the most brilliant men in history were killed because they were right, but their word was up against some bullshit story? I think religion should have stopped right around the invention of the telescope. Once people had telescopes, don’t you think they would have been eager to look for that guy up in the sky eveyone’s talking about? But, uh-oh, no one’s finding him! This sounds just like sean and my blueberry juice.

“Hmmm…what’s this blue liquid by Ian’s sink? Why, it must be blueberry juice! The only blue liquid I can think of right now is blueberry juice, so it simply must be blueberry juice! Hmmm…it smells surpisingly like dishwashing liquid…but I am still assured by the color that it is, in fact, blueberry juice. HMMMM…It has a very similar viscosity to dishwashing liquid. But, I must still have to stand by my original statement of it being blueberry juice. Just one final test…OH my!!! It tastes like dishwashing liquid as well!” Oh well, I suppose I was wrong this whole time. It’s too bad I was such a stubborn asshole, and got all those brilliant scientists killed just for going against what I say, even though it was the biggest bullshit in the history of the planet!!!

Ouch Ian…if i was religious i would smite you on the spot…i might still do that actually. Now to have a contradiction to most of the ideas you brought up:

1. Everything religion says may be against the laws of physics, but remember it isn’t necessary to take the Bible literally. For example..that the Earth was made in seven days-seven steps. It sounds more poetical and it inspires awe. Days may have been millions of years and in fact, were.

2. “Some genius wrote the bible” actually there were several people who “wrote the bible” Plus the idea of one god and the whole 7 days shinaz and all that other stuff came before the bible as well…Ian you need to research your religion a little better.

3. That God wouldn’t want to smite something he created because that would admit he had “fucked up”… personally i think that would be intelligent of God…that way people learn how to do things right and he wouldn’t have to tell them what to do all the time. Have you read to kill a mockingbird yet? Remember what Atticus said about destroying the evidence? That isn’t exactly the case here, but you get my drift.

4. I’m sorry but invisible man who sits up in the sky? first of all…he’s not invisible, you need to have matter to be invisible…God is more like a force. Secondly, he doesn’t sit in the sky for goodness sake! The concept is that God is in everything…he is everywhere. Where do you get these concepts?!?!

5. Ok so this “bullshit story” your talking about probably made a lot more sense to the people back then than that we evolved from anything. And to tell you the truth…in a way we did come from mud…thats where the microorganisms started out eh? (shallow seas i know close enough) anyways…it is like some overpowering force came together and sparked life…which lead to the formation of human beings. Didn’t think about it that way, eh?

Ok…there’s probably more for me to contradict, but im to lazy to go and find it…plus i still have homework but oh well…anyways, i agree with you that it was a shame that so many great men were killed for being right…but common, if they were so brilliant, didn’t they have the intelligence to find out some way to get their ideas across without getting killed? and about the dishsoap…it wasn’t obvious to the people back then. They had no scientific explanations for anything-so essentially everything was a miracle. Back then people didn’t look at things scientifically…more philosophically. Ian…feel free to think that religion is stupid and idiotic and bullshit and all those other things…but that’s your opinion not mine. ( i guess i did some more contradicting…but oh well)

Have you guys read the article in Time about how a tendency towards religion may be genetic (or something like that). I think i have a copy if you want to check it out. I don’t think ive finished it though…ill have to do that.

Hello, glad to see the fat comments you guys made. First I’d like to start with a call against calling people big idiots. We all are here to express our own opinions and ideas, but please leave the personal remarks out of it…try misguided

Ian, I love your blueberry juice metaphor. In fact, I love metaphors. Metaphors are da shit. However, I have a tendency to agree with Jackie on this one. I think some of what you said was a little harsh, and didn’t reflect the changes of modern religion. Religion is constantly evolving and getting better. It has changed to deal with scientific issues and all.

Oh, and just as to not upset anyone, I understand people who follow with religion, and what solace it provides them.

It sounds like you’re talking down to people with religion. Je n’aime pas ça.

Jackie, yes I have read that article in Time magazine about genetic tendencies. It was a juicy read . I think its backing up my hypothesis of human need for order and insuperiority.

i agree with you that it was a shame that so many great men were killed for being right…but common, if they were so brilliant, didn’t they have the intelligence to find out some way to get their ideas across without getting killed?

Just because you’re smart doesn’t mean you can get yourself out of bad/dumb situations. You can have the smartest mind in the world and a angry mob could still kill you. You don’t have the entire world in your hand when you’re a genius.

And now, I would like to adopt WIRED magazine as the official magazine of this blog. It’s by far my favorite magazine. It focuses on 21st century technology and science…with great articles and excellent graphics. You all should get yourself a subscription. I’ve got a bunch of old ones you can browse through if you’d like.

In conclusion, I’d like to say I have to…study for my math test

Ooooooo! This is a hotspot for me. I feel a certified rant coming on.

The fact that the bible can’t even get its own story straight about the birth of Jesus (compare Matthew to Luke on this, folks) is enough for me to write it all off as another poorly scripted hoax. The fact that so much of biblical mythology comes from other cultures’ myths (it’s really like a melting pot of all kinds of other creation myths) is just another reason for me to not believe.

More reason for me to write it off is contained in this quote: “I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours” (Stephen Roberts). Carlin’s quote at the top of Nella’s comment is a good one, too.

Believe what you want to believe on your own time. Keep it out of our politics, out of our classrooms, out of our Pledge, and feel free to take it off our money whenever you are ready.

There has been more killing over religion than anything else. And there are those that would have religion play a *more* central role in our lives? When has that EVER proven effective on a large scale (sure, maybe you believe your life is better for it)?

The fact that some people need a crutch to feel like they have a place in the world, that’s fine for them. But don’t consider it a strength that you place stock in faith (read as: believing in something just because you’re told to…and never, ever questioning it). You need not consider it a weakness either, but realize that you are locked into a system that does not embrace questioning, that does not embrace challenging the status quo, that does not demand proof for its claims, and that does not demand to perfect its thinking on things over time.

Imagine if you had never heard of any religions ever before. Now think of how old you are now and what you know about the world. Imagine someone telling you for the first time about Christianity. Just think about that. Does that sound like a believable theory?

There is no god. That entity only exists in your mind and if you need it there, fine. The more you educate yourself (give me some time and I’ll get you the study showing that the more educated a population is the lower their belief in any religion) and the more you learn about science, the fainter that entity will become, until it’s completely vanished and you feel so much better for knowing the truth.

“Welcome to the desert of the real,” as he said. All there is in this world is you, me, and the consequences of our actions. That’s it.

Oh. And my take on why we have religion in the first place? There are those that are not prepared to admit that the purpose of life… the reason we’re all here… what we’re here to do… DOESN’T EXIST. There is no purpose to it all and that’s scary for some (see Camus’s “The Myth of Sisyphus” for possible alleviation of that fear, though). So, the notion of a god clears that up and takes the strain of living a life they are happy with off the individual. Now they just need to live the life that greater power is happy with, as explained now in black and white in a religious text. And if bad things happen (like the tsunami), then they happen because god has a plan (again, see Camus for a refutation of that notion). Ah. The world is safe and sound.

Yeah. Right.

I’m always glad to hear that I’ve stirred up some controversy . Of course everything I said was purely opinion, and it was purely based on my knowledge, or lack of knowledge as the case may be, of religion. And I understand how it helped people fall into line 2,000 years ago, but as far as I’m concerened, people were believing it for far too long. I understand that it definitly should have been taken poetically and philosophically, but frankly, people were taking it pretty seriously. Like it was the only possible explaination. That’s what always gets me about religion. People’s unquestioning faith in it. It’s like people who worship and study “Lord of the Rings” Worshipping a fictional story isn’t gonna get you very far.

Again, just opinions. Most of the stuff I said wasn’t to be taken that literally, Jackie. Of course people weren’t pointing telescopes at the sky looking for an old guy in a white gown, but don’t you think that once scientific method came about the true belivers would try to find some proof that god as a force exists? Or were they all just too afraid it would turn out that they were wrong? Doesn’t sound like true believers to me. So why do they devote their life to it?

It’s interesting that you put a post about religion in the “science” category…

I noticed that, too, and thought the same thing…

Mmm, it’s a long time since I saw so many ’straw man’ arguments in one place: a bearded god in the clouds etc, etc.

Where on earth, for instance does the idea that our ancestors were stupid come from? How many of us could build the pyramids, or the colloseum for instance. Our ancestors may have had a different beleif system to ours, but they certainly weren’t stupid.
All we have now, is a greater pool of aquired knowledge, that’s all. A heritage that has developed over the centuries, one little step at a time. Our ancestors were certainly not stupid just because they were born when they were, and inherited the aquired knowledge that went before them.

If these great minds were still here today, how long do you think it would take us to teach them to reply to a blog, send an email, or build a website?

Where would math be without the decimal point for intance, or the ancient arabic system of numbers that we now all use in a modified form?

As for religion being responsible for more killing than anything else: I’d certainly like to see some raw statistics on that? More than world wars one & two? Hiroshima? Pol-Pot? Hitler? Stalin? The USA? British colonialists? I doubt it very much.

And is thumping a copy of your favourite Albert Camus book any different to thumping a bible? (no offence TS, just sounding off)

Hey, you’ve got some nice ideas there. But weren’t most wars at least somewhat religiously oriented? Hitler killed Jews. While major wars may not have centered religion as the core of disagreement, it certainly was a factor. I agree that our ancestors weren’t morons…just our network of sharing knowledge and our ability to spread it out is better.

And as for the category…what would you have me put it in? Should I create a new category called Humanities?

Yes, Religious people have played a part in all wars, there are x% of religious people involved in anything, whether it be war, sport, business, or whatever.

Yes, the Nazis were against the Jews, not because they worshipped Yaweh instead of Odin, but because they were percieved to be the root of a lot of ills that the German/European people had faced through the centuries: Usury being one example.

By the way, I’m not agreeing or condoning these beliefs in any way – I find these attitudes repulsive, to say the least. Just trying to sum up the Nazi mindset towards the Jews.

Personally I find all dogmatic attitudes equally repulsive, whether they be religious, political or atheistic – all have been responsible for wrongdoing, killing and war.
With all the mysteries facing us in life I find it laughable that anyone can think they have it figured – it just ends up being dogma versus dogma.

Entrenched beliefs make us feel safe, and give meaning to our lives, our dogmas give us the self satisfied feeling of being ‘right’ – whether our personal ‘right’ is religion, atheism, nazism, communism or some other take on things.

Everyone needs a reference point for their lives – if they don’t find it in religion, they’ll find it in politics, philosophy, Albert Camus, Jean Paul Satre, or whatever.

All I’m saying, is that people CHOOSE, whatever they choose is usually a well considered, thought out decision for them.

I hope someone didn’t say this already, but I really don’t feel like reading this whole page. It’s way too long and I like keeping my explanations simple. Anyway…I think people just created religion because as humans we need an answer to everything. Religion explains a lot of stuff that coulndn’t be explained at the time it was created so basically I think people were looking for reasoning in thinks they couldn’t explain. At least that’s my take on religion…made up stuff to explain stuff..a lot of which can be proved by science…and yah sorry if someone said that already.

I never said you’d go to a very horrible place after you die if you don’t read and accept Camus as irrefutable fact and to question his arguments is to be weak and have lack of faith, so I’d hardly call two parenthetical references “thumping.”

The Crusades? The Inquisition? The witch trials (I’m talking in Europe, baby, not the piddly American version)? Not only are those three things alone responsible for numerous deaths, but terrible forms of torture the likes of which would make Hitler and Pol Pot blush.

Look closer at Mein Kampf before you say that was not religiously motivated. There were some serious emotional issues for Hitler, but there’s also a glorification there that borders on religion for the Aryan race.

Religion is the basis of much horror, fear, hatred, pain, and killing in this world. Just look at the middle east. Anyone who thinks they are going to solve that problem within the next 100 years is fooling himself. That is a deep rooted problem that has resulted in deaths all over the globe.

Bombing abortion clinics kills people. 9/11 was a religiously motivated incident. I believe we could actually count the number of battles that have *not* been fought in the name of religion and resulted in a catastrophic death toll. The number of battles and those dead due to fighting in the name of some “god”… well, that’s another count that we could perhaps finally put those old Cray mainframes back to work on and still not have an answer for quite some time.

Religion isn’t all about love, peace, and happiness. It’s about “I’m right and you are wrong.” “Go forth and preach the gospel,” right? It should be “go forth and mind your own damn business and let other people go to hell if they don’t believe in God. They, too, are free to choose.”

But let’s say I’m wrong; let’s say that the religiously motivated death toll is not as large as the non-religiously motivated toll. Would the death toll be smaller without religion? Yes. A lot smaller? Yes.

Gary:
Has atheism really been the cause of war? I’d like to see more on that.

And a well considered, thought out decision made by kids as they are raised in the religion of their parents without any say in the matter only to become religious themselves and go on to do the same thing to their children? That’s well considered? Once indoctrinated, it’s very hard to even consider the possibility that this belief system you’ve been raised with is completely and utterly wrong. That’s not a thought out decision when your parents decide what religion you will become. And that is really the evil thing about religion. It takes *away* the ability to choose by creating generation after generation of people who are taught that to question their beliefs is wrong and sinful. I’d say most people who are religious did not make that choice, even though they might think they did. It’s not a choice if it’s all you know. So your choice argument falls flat to me.

Call my reference point a system that welcomes challenge and welcomes doubters to take a closer look. Science is that reference point. It’s a reference point that doesn’t mind if I ask questions and that might even benefit and update its policies based on those questions, where questions are seen as a strength.

Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow (Heb. 13:8)? Stubborn little bugger, ain’t he? If I take Lot’s example, then, I should offer my daughters to a raping mob instead of two men (Gen. 19:4-8). Nice role model.

Religion isn’t all about love, peace, and happiness. It’s about “I’m right and you are wrong.” “Go forth and preach the gospel,” right? It should be “go forth and mind your own damn business and let other people go to hell if they don’t believe in God. They, too, are free to choose.”

Yup yup, thats how it should be… What happens is people have the I’m right, and if you don’t agree with me you’re going to hell…and because you are anyway’s I’ll help you on…nice mindset ain’t it.

Ok, now that we’ve completely destroyed any idea that religion could be *gasp* a good thing, why don’t we take a look at what the world would be like without religion… Most of the great civilizations have been built around religion, and could not have been sustained without religion. In fact… I can’t think of a single civilization that has existed without its own religion. You have to wonder…would we have gotten this far had religion not been around. If there had been nothing for scientists to question, what would have been discovered? Would people have had reason to go on living together, or would we have disintegrated into a state of apathy and chaos?

Religion affects my life because people make political decisions based on that religion; folk are making public policy based on religious beliefs. That is irresponsible and selfish. That’s reason 1, 213 to get rid of religion.

“You have to wonder…would we have gotten this far had religion not been around. If there had been nothing for scientists to question, what would have been discovered?”

I dont’ see how the first and second sentences are related at all.

“If there had been nothing for scientists to question…”

Your assumption there is that religion provides things for science to question. What makes you think that religion is the only thing giving scientists the cause to question? Do you believe for one second that, without religion, scientists would be scratching their heads with nothing left to figure out? That’s one of the greatest reasons to get rid of religion that I’ve ever heard! Imagine a world wherein the scientists really had everything figured out.

Questions arise without religion. I’m not religious and I question things everyday. Scientists don’t need religion to question things.

And is religion really the only reason for people to go on living? Do you really think that people would have committed suicide in mass numbers without religion to organize their lives for them? If so, that just helps prove my point that religion is so that people can rest easy and not face the fact that there really is no external reason at all to keep on going.

Lastly, those rhetorical questions could be asked about many things, even the absence of the color RED. Without RED, would we have devolved into a state of chaos!? Who knows, but how is that any argument that the color RED is good?

Jackie, there’s one civilization that wasn’t based on religion that immediatly comes to mind. It’s based on freedom of speech, and the ability to question authority. Which one’s that, again? Oh, yeah, AMERICA!!! And look how well we’re doing! We’re a major world power, and we’ve only been around for, what, 228 1/2 years? Compare that to a country like China, which has been around for 5,000 years!!! And it’s all because no one minds that half the population hates the government, but there’s nothing they can do about it!!! Our president is not gonna kill Eminem just for making a music video like Mosh! I don’t know if you’ve seen the video, but imagine if something like that had happened in, say, the 1500s, and it was against the church. Eminem would be dead in a second!!! And even though there’s huge amounts of hate in that video, look at the underlying message. VOTE!!! Speak out! This government was created so we could, so do it! And there ain’t no one better at speaking out than Americans.

And I know what your gonna say. “Ian, a civilization like that would have never worked a thousand years ago, so shut up!!!” I agree, but once the church took that power, even when every part of the bible began to turn up bullshit, they just kept killing every bitch that told them so. If all the revolutionary thinkers killed by the church had lived thier full lives, think about how much further along we would be today! Maybe I could be taking a course in quantum physics in high school! Who knows? Anyway, I’ll admit to religion being a necessity of the beginning of civilization, if you’ll admit that it was carried on for much too long, and many people were killed needlessly by it.

first about the religion/scientists finding something to question…its not so much as that the scientists couldn’t find something to question, its that you really have to start somewhere. Say that there had never been the idea about everything revolving around the earth. How long would it have taken to finally realize that anything revolves around anything at all, and that the stars and sun and moon aren’t just up there to make pretty patterns in the sky. It would have happened eventually, but still you have to wonder. What religion tended to do was solidify ideas-of course they were the ones that made the religion look good, but at least it was something to build on. I actually wasn’t thinking of saying exactly what you predicted..Ian…but now that you mention it, sure it makes sense. Also, America may not be held by religion now…but why do you think people came over here in the first place. Remember the good old pilgrims? I guess people probably would have come over eventually anyways..and the whole American system isn’t based on the Puritan lifestyle…but would we have formed this kind of society if we hadn’t known how bad the other sort was?

Now I must ask…why must I oppose to everything people say…I’m actually not all that supportive of religion to tell you the truth

There simply is no way there could be a god. Now please, prove me wrong.

prove yourself right first…

The trouble w/ your theory is that there is no way of proving that a god exists, but there also is no way of proving that one does not exist. Because a god would be insubstantial (not made of matter) we would not be able to detect it, but just because we can’t detect something doesn’t mean it’s not there.

To explain this… You are in a room with no light, and therefore you cannot see anything. You walk across the room, and lo and behold you run into something. You take a step back and nothing is there. But if you step forward again, there it is. Just because you can’t see something doesn’t mean its not there. *k that was a stupid story that anyone could come up with but you get the picture*

I don’t know if there is a god, but I do know a way to find out. Die. One day you’ll wake up and find yourself dead, and with the answer to your question. Maybe in the spit second before we die all of life’s questions are answered. Right before you get hit by the bus, yoy finally figure it all out, and say, “Ohh, its all so clea-*smash*
If you really want to know the truth, go on and shoot yourself in the face. You’ll be pleasantly suprised.

Nice comments, sean, I especially liked the points you brought up in the second one that weren’t in the first.

Agggh! What are you talking about, Jackie? Why do you think America is so racially diverse? It’s because of all the immigrants who come here because you don’t have to believe in our god to get in! Think of how many stories there are in the history of the last two hundred years of oppressed forieners who come to America to escape the poverty that their country/religion/opposing countries force(s) apon them. America has always inspired hope in others for exactly that reason! ‘Cept, I think in the last few decades America has lost quite a bit of it’s luster…
(I would like to thank Jackie for taking up an opposing side simply for the sake of the arguement. Now if we could find a topic that we honestly disagree on…)

I have absolutly no doubt in my mind that there is no big, white-bearded old guy sitting up on a cloud in a white robe controlling our everyday life and sitting with a thunderbolt in hand waiting for us to commit a sin so he can smite us down to burn eternally in hell. However, I do believe there is more to god than that…

Think about Sun-worshippers. Now there’s a religion I could follow. The sun fits almost every description of god. A greater being who not only created life, but keeps it in check on a day-to-day basis. And maybe every once in a while, he is displeased by the humans, so he sends a giant solar flare out to keep ‘em in check. And maybe the moon is it’s companion, or it’s advisor, and the moon keeps it’s eye on us while the sun sleeps at night. The moon moves oceans, right? What about the earth? The earth can part seas! Life would not have begun without the earth, and we certainly can’t live without it. Not yet anyways… How ’bout the ocean? How ’bout the air? How ’bout plants, and animals, and what about other humans? Do you think all of us should survive without all the farmers and doctors and soldiers in the world? Ok, so they don’t create life, but, wait a minute…What about women? They created life! All these things perform more miricles every day than “god” did in the whole bible. Since you didn’t bother to define “god” in your comment, I’ll assume you mean a surpreme being who created and now regulates life. All those things fit the definition pretty well, wouldn’t you say?

Uh-oh, this post is catchin’ up to my pot planets in the way of comments… I better stop posting here… better yet, I better go post a bajillion times on mine

There simply is no way there could be a god. Now please, prove me wrong.

That statement is much similar to this theory, “The inside of a watermelon is green, but as soon as it’s exposed to light it turns red.” Prove me wrong. A bazillion dollars to whoever can. Credit is due to my father for that theory.

Wait, wait, wait…
America was not based on religion? Whatever gave you that idea!? Go back and check your facts. We were a complete theocracy in the beginning.

Are we still based on religion? Not in the letter of the law, but look at who sits in the White House. Consider that an atheist has never been elected (or a Jew or a black or a…). Think about the segment of the voters that got Bush voted in (here’s a hint: The ___________ Right). Religion is huge in this country and has been since day one. That doesn’t make it right and none of this makes me happy, but to say that America is/was not based on religion is to ignore this country’s history and current practices.

Time for revival of old topic! I just saw this movie, “Saved,” that gave me about a million more reasons to hate religion!

Okay, so this movie is about a bunch of seniors who go to a Christian High School, and everything they do is always about God smiling upon them, and doing what Jesus would do.

This one girl has a boyfriend who turns out to be Gay. She has a vision where Jesus come to her and tells her that she has to save her boyfriend, and the only way to do this is to have sex with him. Not wanting to incurr the wrath of God, she does exactly that. The next day her boyfriend’s parents find out he’s a queer and send him to reform school. To make matters worse, she gets pregnant.

She doesn’t tell anyone, or else she would be sent to this reform school too. So she loses a lot of faith in Jesus, because even after Jesus told her to have sex with this guy, he is still gay and he still has to go to reform school. So now all of her friends turn against her because she doesn’t have faith, and her whole life is ruined.

What wonderful solace Christianity offers.

Throughout the movie, more and more people are losing faith in Jesus. And they are the only ones who are happy with themselves. All the people who are still holding onto their faith are completely miserable.

The movie wasn’t all that good, but it just goes to show how much religion can mess you up.

Many people were killed because their scientific findings contradicted the Catholic Church, but one of the Ten Commandments of the Catholic Church is “Thou Shall Not Kill”
So how could the church justify all of the murders that it committed if it’s priests go around telling everybody to be peaceful and NOT kill one another when they’re doing the exact opposite :S

“anyways…it is like some overpowering force came together and sparked life…which lead to the formation of human beings. Didn’t think about it that way, eh?”

But that’s quite simply a ridiculous idea. Furthermore saying “didn’t think of it that way, eh” to someone who can clearly see sense over superstiscion isn’t going to make the ridiculous notition any more believable.

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In order to have an interesting and serious point of view about the origins of religion and civilization i recommend “Ancient City” from “Fustel de Coulanges”.

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