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I think this is a great idea!

I’ll have to look but I did once have a list of every Philip Morris company and product. I’ll have to find it.

You know what? I actually think this could be a good idea. I don’t know about the whole “never drinking coke again” business…I’d like to see how long it lasts…but the whole research and awareness thing is great. Let me tell you that your blacklist will probably include most of the known world, but if we can realize how bad some of these things are, we might be able to find a way to fix some of it, if not now then sometime in the future…when we all have tons of power and influence-mua ha ha ha Have fun!

Woot! thanx guys. I’ll start accepting company names any time. Please, I would like to keep this as organized as possible. For a submission, I’m going to need 1. The company name (the parent company) 2. Its sub-companies 3. Its well-known products 4. A rating from one suck to 5 sucks 5. A source where you got your information 6. Who it was submitted by 7. Any additional notes

Obviously, 1 and 5 are the most important points. The more information you can give me, the better. I dont know if i should be starting this just as finals are getting started …

Since seeing that movie I have been tring to avoid soda at all costs, unless it’s really the only thing offered, and so far it’s gone pretty well.

Unfortunatly for us, corporations can’t die. They are completely impossible to kill. When was the last time you saw a McDonald’s go out of business? Even if all of us stop buying it and we tell all our friends to stop buying it and they tell all their friends to stop buying it, that won’t even begin to dent the steady cash flow they get from the billions of people that buy their products every day. But even if we can’t kill them, we can still choose not get fucked over by their infinitly fatty foods.

I think you would have to do a little more research than watching a couple of movies on the topic if you really wanted to make a difference, Andrew. There are countless other people like you out there who are devoting their lives to trying to expose what terrible things these corportations are doing to us, and they haven’t done much yet. It would be a life project, and would take a good deal of devotion. But, hey, your life plan could still use some editing. It did definitly need some life-long goal. Where would you be without a goal? And maybe seeing corporate America’s downfall could be it.

hey Ian. The goal of this project is self-preservation. I’m not really aiming to make a difference in the world, although if i did, that would be nice. This project will create a list of corporations to avoid, so that we can know which products to *not* reach for on the shelves. It doesn’t aim to tear down McDonalds

Okay, well, then I think you’re doing a great thing, and I would love to follow your list. But one of these days someone needs to get these corporations out of here.

Way to blame your lack of self-control on “evil” corporations. Corporations rule. They cater to your needs and desires… nothing evil about that. I’m happy that the Coca Cola corp is out there providing me with a refreshing beverage that kicks Pipsi’s ass. to sum up, YOU DON’T HAVE TO BUY IT, BE HAPPY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DO AND ENJOY IT.

They cater to your needs and desires… nothing evil about that.

Ok, what about behind the scenes? All of the child-labor and foul accounting practices. See the problem with these products, they look great on the shelves, but you have to wonder how they got there. They may cater to the average rich american, but to all those people who were abused in the making of those products, were their needs fulfilled? Fuck no. Yes, I know we don’t have to buy it, and I’m planning not to . Ok but have you ever noticed the kind of psychological drilling corporate advertising? One of the most fascinating parts of Supersize Me is when the guy asks the kids to name the person they see in the picture. They can’t name George Washington, but the sure as hell can name Ronald McDonald. And that puts in our minds that we like McDonalds products, and we want to buy them. So you don’t have to buy it, but you get it your mind at an early age that you want to. You following this?

See the movie “The Corporation.” Then make sure you also read “Fast Food Nation.”

I haven’t drank a Coke in years. You never “have” to drink soda. Water is *always* an option where soda is.

I’d like to suggest Fry’s Electronics to that list of yours. They get 5 sucks from me. Their employees do not know anything about the departments they work in; they routinely avoid eye contact so as not to get sucked into “helping” you; their return policy requires a huge burden of proof on the returnee’s part about why they should accept the returned merchandise; when an item is returned, it is “tested” in some for and placed back out on the shelves to sell at full price even if defective or missing parts. I have experienced all of these things from direct observation. I have not shopped there in about 5 years. They are terrible. Not quite the same as encouraging child labor, but I’m sure they play their role in that system, too.

Oh yeah. And after watching/reading those two things (or maybe even before doing either), visit rtmark.com. Search through their projects, specifically the CueJack project.

The list you propose to make up reminds me of some things on that site. And I am in full support of it, but I’m thinking more about business practices in general, not focusing in on just their business ethics, necessarily. When I want to buy something, I have an increasingly smaller pool of options as companies do crappy things that convince me they don’t deserve my support.

I’m sure that “k” is happy that Philip Morris peddled its product for decades without disclosing the real dangers of and is glad they make Marlboro cigarettes, which kick Winston cigarettes’s ass. Drop a pair of dentures into a cup of cola and find out what happens to them over time. Consider the weight epidemic in this country and cola’s role in that. Think about the fact that there is a room of 7-Up employees patting themselves on the back because they got into the minds of our teenagers and made them all feel like 7-Up is cool. Watch Frontline’s “The Merchants of Cool” for more info on that one.

It’s insidious the way that corporations get into consumers’ minds to convince us that our lives are not complete without their product. The ethics behind that must be examined. I drive a Civic Hybrid and I’m happy that it’s not heavily advertised; people decide to buy that car because they want to, not so much because they’ve been *told* that they want to.

You really think that shirt you’re wearing is cool because *you* think it’s cool? No! It’s cool because you’ve been told what’s cool by corporations trying to get your money. Same with the music you listen to, the food you eat, and, yes, the cola you drink. The facts and options are hidden from you in a blatant attempt to lull you into a false sense of safety and satisfaction and health.

So I’ve rambled on again and I know that once I hit “Say It!”–even though I’ve registered–I won’t be able to edit this comment. Here goes!

Coporations

I base my life around these (when im away from my comp) OMG LIKE NEVER!!
anyways

Altoids
Breyer’s Ice Cream
Calistoga Mineral Water
Wily Wonka candy
Perrier Water
Calistoga Water
San Pellegrino
All Banana Republic Stores
Sun Chips
and of course the Wonderbra

i would have to say that walmart is probably the most fucking evil corporation, considering how many bad companies they buy from, and the fact that they pay their female workers like thousands of dollars less, and never promote them. i would have to give them a 5 on the sucky scale. SCREW WALMART!

I honestly haven’t watched Supersize Me, but I hear ya. I think that tsguitar is take some exstream steps toward this subject. And this ‘k’ guy is a panzy for not giving his real name. oh well, I ranting aren’t I?

P.S. Nike and Livestrong should be investigated. Along with Microsoft.

All companies are generally evil, no matter what you look for, in buisness all you have is the bottom line, not by anymeans evil, just looking out for the shareholders intrests. And someone might hate a company, but someone else might like it. So how does one figure out if it is evil, by determining that the company that they don’t like is subjicated to scrutiny? Just like apple v. microsoft, they both produce software, they both make computers that work, and they both have had shoddy buisness practices in the past and present.

Try http://www.adbusters.org - they’ll arm you with enough weaponry to root out every slug, virus, and cyst of corporate conditioning from your life.

Nalgene. They make those water bottles that everyone has. But the bottles are they’re second biggest products. Their most mass produced products are rabbit restraints for animal testing.

As for the ‘nike should be published’ thing, Nike is one of the number one child slavoury companies in Canada and the u.s
Livestrong has no proof of animal testing, or child labour

Corporations are evil/good, government is evil/good, people are evil/good. Please think about having a less naive view of the world before attacking the corporations that make it possible for you to have a computer, post on the internet, etc., and ask yourselves what you’d have if the government handled everything instead. Yeah, bread lines.

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Michael Moore is a good man.

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